The topic of rapture is touchy and most never go there because it is believed by 90% of the churches. In a previous post I guessed those believing it at 92%, but google says 90%. Today time is short, so I will cut to the quick. How many know who John Nelson Darby the teacher of Dispensations and Rapture is? He is the one funded by the Rothschilds Bank of London to teach people this wondrous interpretation all designed to confuse Christians to help in their end game Luciferian goals. For you see Darby was a Satanist and other things which you will now learn.
So when 90% are believing we are going to be beamed up and escape tribulation and many are preaching they will be at the wedding supper of the lamb when all breaks loose, then Revelations Chapter 19 makes no sense. And neither does the parable of the Kings Wedding Supper for his son, nor does the Parable of the wheat and the tares. But it does help the Cabal to meet their new world order goals.
So the first thing fact checkers will do is defend the Cabal and deny any of the truth is real. They will say it is false. So, even if you close your ears to the facts, we are still left the question of who is understanding the Bible correctly. We all love the Lord, so why all the squabble? What’s the big deal. And since 90% believe dispensations, then it must be the 8% who are wrong. So why aren’t they on board?
There are reasons, one of them is that rapture was never taught until around the 1830’s when John Nelson Darby began teaching it. This was his own contribution to the Rothschild Cabal to rule the world. For you see Darby was a Satanist and a member of the Illuminati. With his concept of ideas of God’s dispensations to deceive and confuse the true meaning of the Bible. Everything in the word gets mixed up and out of context by cherry picking and rearranging and some is out right censored.
Today, we are all aware of the Satanic Cabal, Lin Wood still calls them out as the Illuminati, it has been called secret societies, the Swamp, Puppet Masters, Luciferians, Reptilians and numerous other names. But we all know the central banks are owned and operated by the House of Rothschild who operates the bank of London and is a greedy little operation whose goals are to control all the finances of the entire world. So I won’t go into any of that back story.
The easiest way to present the main reason why I don’t trust any of the rapture doctrine today is because some years ago when I was researching Marxism, I discovered that Rothschild had his hands in so many things that took root in the year 1844 and Darby with his dispensationalism and rapture were one of them. So I will start with Darby the man, funded by the house of Rothschild to bring confusion to your church and why it didn’t bother him to do so at all. Hold on rapture lovers this is going to take your breath away.
John Nelson Darby was a Satanist, Freemason and agent of the Rothschild-owned British East India Company, which was a powerful multinational corporation that supplied trade world-wide for the Crown. And we now know after the Revolutionary war, via the Paris Treaty, the East India Company in the colonies ceased and Payseur became a debt collector for the Crown in its place in Virginia. We now know this later changed in 1871 to THE UNITED STATES INC. when congress sold the land to pay off its’ civil war debt via entering into a tri-corporate agreement between the Vatican and London Bank, via using Vatican’s gold to pay off the Crown.
Darby’s family owned Leap Castle, which was famous for being the most sinister and occult castle in Ireland’s history. But, he soon became more famous for being the leader of a Christian sect called the Plymouth Brethren (named for Plymouth, England, where its most popular gatherings were held). He is generallycredited with originating the “Secret Rapture” doctrine and made several trips to America to spread his ideas.
The Rothschild’s committed their fortune to the Zionist movement, beginning around but no later than 1829. Now this was a shared effort with the Oligarchy/Cabal and concealed from the public. A secret society movement to help achieve its global policies through international organizations that later grew into Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, and an upper level of Freemasonry. With its’ highest identifiable source as the Rothschild banking dynasty. Their shared goals is to bring Lucifer out into the light and to do away with the Christians, or at least move them into confusion in order to direct them into a one world religion. Which today is the sustainable development goals for the 21st century that are the big push of the United Nations. Which is controlled by Babylon the Great.
Now one of the other things that happened in 1844 was the World Zionist Movement officially organized in New York City. Also brought to you by Rothschild’s and the Secret Societies who sought to rule the world. At the same time in 1844, Darwin’s Theory on Evolution and Marxism reached a popularity and these pet projects were now recognized and pushed as truths even though all were theories.
All of these theories were funded and or encouraged by the secret cabal to serve their bidding. I have a lot of research on the year 1844 and was wanting to do a book on it titled, “1844” With a subtitle, “The Year Satan Pulled Out All His Guns”.
For all the seeds planted in 1844 grew into monsters of acceptable practice of today. Even the cyber war fare was birthed in 1844 with the telegraph and the first overseas communication. The message sent was, “What hath God wrought?” I always thought the Prince of the Power of the air was mocking God…as it should have stated, “What hath Satan Wrought?” Today it has grown into the World Wide Web and Cyber Warfare. Everything from 1844 has grown into a monster used by the Satanic Cabal to control the masses today.
From the work of James Perloff, he has documented a very thorough history of Darby and all the Cabal/Illuminati movements generated by the same. Here are some of the excerpts to his link on the subject:
“Darby used many terms in common with occult Theosophists—he referred to Jesus as “the coming one” (same term New Agers use for the Antichrist); referred to God as the “architect” (same phrase employed by Freemasons, meaning “God” for the uninitiated, “Lucifer” to true adepts); and many other occult phrases, as summarized in this article.
“Darby even penned his own satanic version of the Bible. The Illuminati have always known they could not perform a wholesale transformation of the Bible, because it would be recognized as such and rejected. Therefore the approach through the centuries has been to whittle it away: a word here, a phrase there—the universal strategy of boiling the frog.
“Darby slyly introduced satanic wording into the Biblical text. For example, in the King James rendering of John 6:69, Peter told Jesus: “And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.” Darby rendered this: “And we have believed and known that thou art the holy one of God.” “Holy one of God” is a title used for Jesus only by demons in the King James. For a comprehensive review of Darby’s satanic mistranslations, see the article John Nelson Darby Version: Doctrinal Changes to the Holy Bible.
So, the Pandora’s box that I opened yesterday, was one that had to be opened and have the stuff inside it looked at and out in the open if the Church was ever going to take a cold hard look at what they have been lured into.
No one wants to hear that the beliefs and interpretations to the Bible they have memorized and believed, and shared with others to bring to the Lord are a tool of the illuminati and the same Cabal that stole the election and is pushing vaccines and wants to rule the world in a tyranny after it is depopulated. No Christian wants to know they were duped by Satan himself into believing a lie. Not a one wants to hear that.
But it has to be heard. If not now…when? It will be too late to come out of her my people. So anyone wanting to argue over scriptures…we can. But before we put energy batting words back and forth. Look and see whose message you are spreading. For it is not of the Lord, it is of the very thing you hate. It is the same Cabal that little by little stole your Constitutional Freedoms and God given rights. These same ones are behind stealing your Jesus and making his message twisted into something that is not true.
Dispensations take the entire Bible and censors things saying they no longer apply and fits things where they don’t belong. It leaves room to twist and reinterprete and destroy the true meaning of what God’s Word said. It is literally an abomination to the meaning of the Word of God.
All to dumb you down – it is the fake news of the Bible! FAKE with a little truth here and there. Please read the motivations as to why the Cabal had Darby teach it and how the Cabal has modified it all along the way.
More excerpts:
“Unfortunately, as we will now see, Fundamentalism was itself infiltrated and hijacked, consistent with the Rothschild strategy of funding both sides of wars. Fundamentalist churches were targeted to enlist their support for the Zionist agenda. The two principal agents in this scheme were John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) and Cyrus Scofield (1843-1921). What Darby planted, Scofield watered and disseminated. The theology they developed served the agenda by making several claims:
• God wanted the Jews to return to, and take over, Palestine.
• God has two plans of salvation—one through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the other a guarantee reserved for Jews, his “Chosen People.”
• Christians should not involve themselves in politics, education, business or the arts, as these are “worldly” matters that should be left in the hands of “worldly” people. (The consequences of this doctrine are very visible in American culture today.)
• God deals with mankind differently during different historical time frames or “dispensations,” of which there are seven. The current one, “Grace” under Jesus Christ, is merely the sixth of the seven dispensations.
• The Christian Church is doomed to inevitable failure, which will bring the Dispensation of Grace to a close.
• The end of this dispensational age will be marked by the Tribulation—worldwide persecution under the Antichrist for a period of seven years; however, Christians need not concern themselves with this, since Jesus will “Rapture” believers off the Earth and they won’t be around to experience it.
• Earth will then experience a Jewish era; Jewish ritualistic animal sacrifices will be reinstituted; Jesus will reign for a thousand years from Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.
These doctrines, whose main outcome was “Christian Zionism,” might seem boring to atheists and agnostics, but they are nonetheless exceedingly relevant to the state of the world. They are espoused by celebrity-status theologians like Hal Lindsey, Pat Robertson and John Hagee, in the best-selling Left Behind book series, and are prevailing views in many conservative evangelical churches. Without these ideas
In my own personal Bible study, I purchased many Bibles. One day I sat looking over at my book shelf and it hit me upside the head like a bolt. I saw The John Hagee Bible, The Scofield Bible, The McArthur Study Bible, The Drake Bible, The Geographical Bible, The authorized KING JAMES HOLY Bible 1611, The New Jerusalem Bible, The Jack Van Impe Bible, Naves Study Bible…and the Holy Bible. For the very first time I sat there as though lost in time…and thought “What the heck? Men all so bold to put their own names on the Holy Word of God and copyrighted at that. Well, I thought there are two ways to view this. They wrote their own, put their name on it and deserve the copyright, or they just committed a terrible sin. Either view was blasphemy.
But oh…if it didn’t say King James Version.. it was not good. And never read the forbidden books of Jasher, Enoch, Jubilees, or Gad, or any of the Dead Sea Scrolls except Isaiah, for it is all false teachings…that is what the pastors said when I was believing the rapture. And most still do this day.
Early on, some were not fooled. As Philip Mauro commented in 1927:
“It is a matter of grief to me that a book should exist wherein the corrupt words of mortal man are printed on the same page with the holy Words of the living God; this mixture of the precious and the vile being made an article of sale, entitled a “Bible,” and distinguished by a man’s name. . . . For the fact is that dispensationalism is modernism. It is modernism, moreover, of a very pernicious sort, such that it must have a “Bible” of its own for the propagation of its peculiar doctrines, since they are not in the Word of God.” Excerpt From John Nelson Darby by James Perloff.
More excerpts:
“Darby used many terms in common with occult Theosophists—he referred to Jesus as “the coming one” (same term New Agers use for the Antichrist); referred to God as the “architect” (same phrase employed by Freemasons, meaning “God” for the uninitiated, “Lucifer” to true adepts); and many other occult phrases, as summarized in this article.
“Darby even penned his own satanic version of the Bible. The Illuminati have always known they could not perform a wholesale transformation of the Bible, because it would be recognized as such and rejected. Therefore the approach through the centuries has been to whittle it away: a word here, a phrase there—the universal strategy of boiling the frog.
“Darby slyly introduced satanic wording into the Biblical text. For example, in the King James rendering of John 6:69, Peter told Jesus: “And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.” Darby rendered this: “And we have believed and known that thou art the holy one of God.” “Holy one of God” is a title used for Jesus only by demons in the King James. For a comprehensive review of Darby’s satanic mistranslations, see the article John Nelson Darby Version: Doctrinal Changes to the Holy Bible.”
See the author’s link who has dedicated much research in this work. John Nelson Darby | James Perloff
So that is my biggest reason I don’t look at the rapture with any authority at all. That being said, let me show you how “The Marriage Supper of The Lamb” was twisted by Darby’s interpretation. And you all know what John wrote at the end of Revelation to any who changed the words he wrote.
Look at what is really said, and not what rapture interpretations tell you. Babylon falls, and then we have the Marriage Supper of The Lamb in Chapter 19. And you will see it is quite different than Darby and Scofield’s versions.
Note: My words are in bold italics.
Revelations 19
19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honor, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
(The Lord Now Reigneth…but Jesus is still in the heavens)
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
So after Babylon falls the Lamb’s wife has made herself ready. She has oil in her lamps.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. So they are still on earth.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
So the saints are being called to the marriage supper of the lamb They didn’t disappear. What were they called to do? Perhaps fight the good fight? Stand strong? Resist the evil?
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Heaven is opened and John sees a white horse and The Lord upon it. So the Lord is coming on a white horse to judge and make war. No saints? No food yet.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
My Lord Jesus King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
The armies of heaven followed him upon white horses. NOT saints! Heavenly armies of heaven! The Saints are called to the marriage supper they are not on horses!
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Now COMES THE KING OF KINGS SPOKEN OF IN DANIEL AFTER THE STATUE IS TOPPLED…HITTING THE TOES AND FEET MADE OF MIRY Clay. To rule with a rod of Iron…all the nations. Not quite the Rapture. Why is he coming for his bride if Jesus already has his saints? They weren’t whisked up, nor changed in a twinkling of an eye and disappeared. No empty shoes. At the same time he is dishing out the wrath of the almighty God. His wife has made herself ready and now he is coming for them.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
The supper of the great God? Calling all the fowls to eat the supper of the great God? I thought the saints were eating supper with Jesus? So what is this strange marriage supper of the lamb?
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Yikes…you mean the fowl of the air are being called to eat the flesh of captains, mighty men, horses and their riders? All men free and bond, small and great? What happened to the rapture yum, yum dinner? Where is that being held?
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Wait a minute, I thought we didn’t care about all that at the marriage supper of the lamb. How can this be? Now we are feeding the birds flesh of the beast, kings and their armies are gathered to make war? Against Jesus King of Kings and his army? Where are the saints? Aren’t they gonna fight too? What happened to the rapture story…is anyone lost yet?
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Woe…you mean…after Babylon Falls…this all happens? And they go right at the marriage supper of the Lamb which turns out to be fowls eating flesh and now tossing some serious people into the lake of fire.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
So the supper of the great God and the King of Kings coming to cast out all the wicked ones is the Marriage supper of the Lamb? Who knew?
Okay so that sure sounds different from the Rapture story now doesn’t it?
In Revelations Chapter 19, we see the marriage supper of the lamb…the bride has made herself ready and Jesus Comes with the Army of heaven and he calls the fowl of the air to feast on the flesh of kings and men both great and small and the feast is not a sit down dinner in heaven for saints. This is why it is so important to prepare your self and your house in this call to come out of her my people as Babylon is Falling, Is Falling for we will partake of her sins if we don’t come out. You can’t cling to the Cabal’s lies and come out. Let go and let God show you the way to his truth. You are born again, you love the Lord…look at what he’s asking you. Google and research all of what I have said and pray to God of what he will have you do. Amen.
Then there is Revelations Chapter 20. But that is another story. Spoiler alert…1,000 years of peace on earth and there are no frequent flyers going up into the clouds except the angels.
Dianne
THE MARSHALL REPORT 
This is indeed a touchy subject but God gave all FREE WILL. My truth is, THE COSMIC TRINITY. That being said, the Bible is satans book to lead the masses astray from God. Religion causes wars and churches are cults. God did not hand over his only begotten son to be murdered. THY SHALL NOT KILL.
Died for our sins? No, we recieve karma, the demoncrats way is to catch and release, Jesus died for their sins anyway 🤷🏻♀️ NO, everyone owns up to their own. Jesus was a name by the enemies but that’s all we’ve ever known. He is Esu “Jesus” Immanuel Sananda the son of Archangel Gabriel and he lived to be 107 and had children. We incarnate. He ascended into the clouds to a Pleiadian starSHIP. They will arrive the same way.
Israel is home of the “serpent people” 🐍They are Khazarians [false jews] from Canaan and Edom. Jesus wasn’t even a jew. That’s a made up term. There’s even Iranian Jews. Satan was brilliant slithering into a building and placing man no better than the next, in front to speak for our Heavenly Father. The entire thing is a lie. We are multidimensional beings. Celestial, terrestrial, and extraterrestrial.
Here are some things if interested. Love to all. The Hosts of Heaven are here. Jesus, St Germain, Mary, Archangel Michael etc 💞🕊
FourWinds10.com
Cosmic Trinity
https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Cosmic_Trinity
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With all due respect Jaycee, I feel like I just read the writings of Satan himself.
I dont know who teaches that crap but it probably sounds good to the anti christ.
I’m not being judgmental for your beliefs and I truly hope you do some soul searching, you may think I need to as well.
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Jaycee73 – well sir, all that stuff may well be “Your truth” but it sure ain’t THE truth!!! Best you find THE truth very soon because things seem to be coming to a conclusion. Carry on reading this column and you will get the clues needed to sort through “your truth” to find THE truth.
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Humanity cannot know every truth. If you claim to know everything, you are claiming to be God. An individual’s “truth” is the part of the truth that they focus on.
“God is sovereign; Man is still responsible.” Those “truths” are mutually exclusive but a Calvinist can claim both are “truth,” yet they never believe both at once. Their truth changes depending on which topic they’re discussing. When we are saved, they say God is sovereign. When we are damed, they say we are responsible.
“Jesus was fully God and fully Man.” “God is one person and three persons.” Those are mutually exclusive too. Which one is “truth” depends on the subject.
If you can switch gears at the turn of a hat, you shouldn’t be surprised that others take truth to be relative as well.
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You, sir, are a false teacher. Seek the Savior while you can.
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Well…that surely raised a lot more questions than it answered. Sure stirred the pot though. Just what we needed!
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I was raised in the Plymouth Brethren Assembly. An exclusive branch. Please get on the internet and find John Nelson Darby’s hymns that he wrote. Then, come back on here and tell us he was a Satanist. You won’t be able to. Here are some of them: ‘And Is It So, I Shall Be Like Thy Son’, ‘Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah’, ‘We’ll Praise Thee, Glorious Lord’, ‘Sing Without Ceasing’, ‘O Lord, Thy Love’s Unbounded’. I don’t agree with Darby’s teachings, but Satanists don’t write these hymns and more. The Open Brethren split off from the Exclusives because they didn’t agree with his legalistic doctrines.
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So the great deceiver can’t produce Songs of Worship. Try again.
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Amen .
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In all fairness to Dianne it’s really difficult for anyone, including her, to advise anyone which Protestant Bible to read/buy/follow. I use the word Protestant deliberately because as a Catholic we have one Bible only, which is the Holy Catholic Bible, one copy of mine being the St. Joseph one. All bibles other than the Catholic one have different interpretations and the Coptic Bible has only the New Testament. Like Dianne you may have to do some research and find what you are comfortable with. I admit I only read & have heard at Mass the Catholic Bible. Raised Catholic and having attended both primary & secondary Catholic schools that’s what I believe. I love the saints and angels especially my guardian angels and archangels. St. Michael the Archangel fights and wins against evil forces including those in human form. If we believe in good people then there certainly are evil people. Bad can become good, by the Grace of God, but evil is a sinister level of really vile.
Saints: St. Joan of Arc, Sir St. Thomas More, St. Michael the Archangel, St. Raphael the Archangel, St. Martin de Porres, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Bernadette, St. Ann and the mother of Jesus who holds an unique & eminent role & position in Heaven, the Blessed Mother, my mother. Catholics honor her and we pray to her to intervene with God, in the Name of Jesus, for us. Mother Mary has many titles but my favorite 😻 is Mary Help of Christians/Maria Auxiliadora/Maria Auxilium ( Spanish and Latin).
There are Catholic stores to visit or review on line to purchase the Catholic Holy Bible.
Protestant versions are many. Only each individual can choose their Protestant version or the Catholic Bible. After Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic Church (1521) and founded Lutheranism, it opened the door for other Bibles to be founded by men depending on their interpretation of the Old and New Testaments. There are Protestant sects that don’t believe Jesus is Divine. There are many Protestant sects that scoff at Catholic honor of Mary. I remind people that without Mary there is no Jesus; she said yes to God. Mother’s Day is a day to beloved moms; the Mother of Jesus is extraordinary honored because of this. It was His Mom who told them to do what Jesus says at the wedding even though he told her it wasn’t His time. His Mother was there all the way to Golgotha. (The Passion of the Christ demonstrates this).
Jesus Christ taught us what to do and how to behave. It’s really simple but when humans, definitely like myself, complicate things that’s when we get into trouble, at least I have. Thank God, for Jesus & His ultimate Sacrifice✝️, & thank God for His Love 💜. I thank Jesus for the Sacraments, albeit I needed the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession) and do need the most many times. Holy Communion our greatest Gift from Jesus/God. My beliefs.
I applaud everyone who wants to find Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity. Godspeed!
Blessings!
✝️💜🐈😻🐾♥️🌹❤️🌺💐🌸🐠🐸🦜🐥🇺🇸🌞
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I grew up in a family of Catholics. As a kid I never understood WHY we were to call the priests “Father” and nuns “Sister”….and confess to a man?
As an adult I realize that all man made churches are religions. Yet to have a relationship with Christ is FAR BETTER.
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Anita, That may well suit you but there has been much discord down through the modern ages regarding translations of the Scriptures, of which the Catholic Bible is but one – it is NOT the original. But this particular post from Dianne is not about translations.
I want to reply to your comment that you pray to Mary in order that she may intercede between you and God in the name of Jesus. NOT GOOD! Won’t achieve a thing! Mary is as dead as all other people who have died since then in spite of the fact that she was chosen to be the mother of Jesus. Death has no preference of status. ALL have sinned therefore ALL die – that includes Mary. She has as much hope in Christ her Saviour for salvation as you and I have, by believing Jesus is exactly that – the Saviour of mankind.
Mary has not, can not and never will be able to intercede to the Father for you, ONLY Jesus Christ can do that. The Bible is quite clear on that. MARY IS DEAD and waiting for the resurrection and return of Jesus just like all the other faithful believers who have gone before us. Any other belief is false. Sorry.
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“As touching the dead, that they shall rise again, have ye not read the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham and God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. Ye are therefore greatly deceaved.”
If Mary is in hell, she is indeed among the dead. If she is in heaven, and God is her God, she is among the quick, not the dead. If someone asks her to ask Jesus to ask the Father for something, what is that to you?
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Virtually ALL Modern Version Bibles are from the same text as your catholic bible and therefore are by default CATHOLIC BIBLES. Read the UBS Nestle-Aland preface to their greek text. States specifically that the Vatican is involved in the making of them, to make a bible suitable for their assimilation program, I mean eccumenical movement.
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Dianne, how can I send you an email? I want to forward you this article that I have read last week and want to get your opinion on this issue. I do not want to post here for all to see, incase it has no bearing and truth in it.
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Amanda Grace Talks…Prophecy, Temple Mount, An Explosive June, Medina Spirit!
*https://youtu.be/ztxHOIeLH_E
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since we all have opinions, but the bottom line is we al sin and fall short, Jesus said ” no one can get to Heaven but by Me” i don’t care what this scripture or that one says, or who said what, i really don’t know what all the above posts said because they don’t have them all in a row. i am a basic plain out person. i got saved in 1995 @ 41 yrs old, God forgave me for my sins, and there was plenty, i would not trade my salvation for anything. so ya’ll go ahead and do your debates or whatever, i love the Lord, He loves and forgives me and that’s all i can say about that.
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I’m with you, Southern 1952. Thank you for speaking with a voice that echoes the heart of Christ. I really don’t care how it all plays out in the End Times. God has got it all in his loving care and I’m at complete rest, trust and peace in him. “Exhale” Now, let’s go tell someone how they can meet Jesus too. ;+)
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yes mam Deb, that is one of our jobs as christians, i follow you as well,
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Right on. “What think ye of the Christ?” is the only question that will determine if we’re to be judged from the Book of Life or the Book of Works…
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though we are not judged by works, but we are to be a witness for Jesus Christ, to do our best to lead them to Him and follow His commandments as best as we can (as humans)
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When I was 17 I bought a 1968 Dodge R/T. When I went to pick it up it was running very rough so I decided to change the spark plugs. I wrote down the firing order and pulled the plug wires off the stuck the wires back on. It still ran bad so I went back and checked the firing order to see if I got some mixed up. Nope it was 1-7-4-3-6-5-8-2 just as I had written it down. So I had to do a little research to find the problem with the motor. I happened to look at the firing order in the Motor’s Manual and it sai 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. (As I’m writting this I didn’t even have to look it up. It’s still etched in my gray matter). So I said to myself This book can’t be right. I KNOW WHAT I KNOW! I figured I had some special factory ordered engine that had a different firing order. You could not have convinced me otherwise. To make a long story short …. after checking many other sources I finally came to the conclusion that the book was right. The firing order of every 440 Magnum ever made was 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. I had to change my mind because, no matter how much I believed I was right, the truth was in the book.
When 2 people have contradicting beliefs on the same subject one of them will be wrong. Or both of them may be wrong after all there are tens of thousands of church denominations in the world today. Each one may say “this is what God has taught me”. Each are equally sincere. They each love God. But how could God work in different individuals in different ways to where they come up with different, contradicting “truths?
Maybe it’s time to go back to the book and let it speak for itself rather than of going to it to substantiate what we already believe to be truth.
The Bible interprets itself in one of three ways 1) in the verse 2) in the context 3) how has it been before.
Here is an example. What was Paul’s “thorn in the flesh”? How had it been used before?
Numbers 33:55, Joshua 23:13, Judges 2:3
God Bless
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
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Loved, loved, loved your comment, Sparky… including your car analogy. Only a few years ago, I sold my 1968 Ford Mustang after 20 years… so much fun to drive it in the warm months. I’m a lot like that car in my relationship with the Lord and how I look at things… Super simple, but everyone wanted to check it out, to talk about it, and ask me questions about it. In the some way, I want people to check out Jesus, to talk about him, and to ask me questions about him. Keeping it simple, just like my ’68 powder blue Mustang…but… such an eye catcher, one that everyone fell in love with… love at first sight. ;+)
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Loved, loved, loved your comment, Sparky… including your car analogy. Only a few years ago, I sold my 1968 Ford Mustang after 20 years… so much fun to drive it in the warm months. I’m a lot like that car in my relationship with the Lord and how I look at things… Super simple, but everyone wanted to check it out, to talk about it, and ask me questions about it. In the some way, I want people to check out Jesus, to talk about him, and to ask me questions about him. Keeping it simple, just like my ’68 powder blue Mustang…but… such an eye catcher, one that everyone fell in love with… love at first sight. Love at first sight of Jesus!! ;+)
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If the Bible interpreted itself there would be only one Protestant church, not several thousand. 2 Peter 3:16 rubs it in even harder about how much trouble it is looking through Paul’s dictated speeches (which we pretend he wrote as a document to be delivered instead of a speech to be reperformed by the messenger) to interperet them into which doctrine applies when where and to whom. Does Paul think women are defective, or did he say what he said because the Ephesian women (ex temple prostitutes for Diana) were teaching garbage (like that Eve was created first) and needed to be shut up so they could learn? The Spirit found Paul’s messy orations satisfactory, because He expects us to listen to Him speak through Paul. Athanasius’ interpretation of God beat out Arius and Sabellius. If the Bible interpereted itself, Arius and Sabellius, who had access to scripture, would never have been capable of error, let alone convincing large portions of the church of error as well. The spirit backing Athanasius’s interperetation won out, not the raw text.
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Dianne,
If a person removes the “rapture”, the word is not found in KJV but the word “Harpazo.” See https://www.biblestudytools.com/vul/
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong’s Number: 726
Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
aJrpavzw
from a derivative of (138)
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Harpazo
1:472,80
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
har-pad’-zo
Verb
Definition
1. to seize, carry off by force
2. to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
3. to snatch out or away
King James Word Usage – Total: 13
catch up 4, take by force 3, catch away 2, pluck 2, catch 1, pull 1
Another reference: Citation: https://khouse.org/articles/2003/451/
Chuck Missler, yes we all have our faults. I like his material but some goes way out.
“Concluding our brief series of articles on our “Blessed Hope,” 1 there would seem to be seven harpzs (“raptures”) in the Bible: Enoch,2 Elijah,3Philip, 4 Paul,5 John6 and Jesus,7 and, of course, the Body of Christ, 8 the Church. (In fact, the very Greek term, harpoz, is employed in four of these references.9)”
So many paths to ponder concerning your post. Enoch walked with God and was not for God took him. “Rapture” and or snatch out or away.
Elijah was caught up…2 Kings 2:11 (KJV)
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
The Ethiopian Eunuch was coming from worshipping at Jerusalem and Phillip was told to join the chariot. Understand what thou readest? How can I except so man guide me….Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Do you honestly believe that a saved person, one who has called on the name of the Lord, will go through the WRATH reserved for the wicked in the Tribulation?
Romans 5:9 (KJV)
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
If you desire a further rabbit hole the authorized King James 1611 version had Masonic’s prepare some of the translation materials. Only the “cloth” and or Bishops were to have the Bible as the Common man was considered too ignorant.
The Devil is very deceptive not wanting anybody to read Gods real “Holy Spirit” inspiration to men of the written Word. Tyndales (New Testament) Bible (1526) version was also seen in the Geneva Bible (1599). I personally use the Geneva Bible as it was a more authentic translation in my humble opinion.
https://kingjamesbibletranslators.org/bios/
https://www.talkjesus.com/threads/king-james-version-was-edited-by-rosicrucians-and-or-masons.52781/
I imagine you have to go clear back to the writings of Flavius Josephus circa 37 C.E. to grasp the times.
Click to access Complete_Works_of_Josephus.pdf
I am but a student of the Bible. I use what God inspires me to use. Like going to a fish dinner. Eat the meat throw out the bones. After all, the relationship with Jesus is a personal one.
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I did not ever say we would not be with our Lord. I said the rapture in the manner of dispensations as it is told is not accurate. It takes things out of context. I know the Lord will return and he will gather his people and he we are not appointed to wrath. He will come with all the armies of heaven. I never denied any of that. I am against twisting the scriptures. I loved watching and listening to Chuck Missler. Even after his passing they aired his programs on cable and I would watch them. He has a very inspiring message and he doesn’t twist things. You can preach of things with out some of the crazy inputs. No one knows when the Lord will return. We are to watch for the signs and seasons. Even in the book of Enoch he tells in the very first paragraph that his book was written for that generation who would be alive at the time of the Lord’s coming. His book is a witness and a preparation for those at that time. A time of tricking and beguiling. In his book we are aware of the fallen angels and their deception. But in the first sentence it is for us.
1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2. living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. 3. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:
The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
[And appear from His camp]
And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.
5 And all shall be smitten with fear
And the Watchers shall quake,
And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.
6 And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame
7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).
8 But with the righteous He will make peace.
And will protect the elect,
And mercy shall be upon them.
And they shall all belong to God,
And they shall be prospered,
And they shall all be blessed.
And He will help them all,
And light shall appear unto them,
And He will make peace with them’.
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
And yes…I look forward to that day. The issues I have, are in the twisting and lack of preparedness for these wicked days that a rapture away created. People, are waiting to disappear and not ready to stand against the deception. The world – look at it …it is shaking like foretold. We are here…no one is going anywhere yet….we need to be strengthening one another to stand as God prepares the way. If I did not have the Lord and his hand of protection and promises in me…I would be a mess. Fearing what was coming on the earth. I know he is setting up his kingdom and he is shaking it up to wake us all up. I was prepared for this day….to wake others up to the evil that has taken place little by little….and share what I have been shown through the scriptures and the readings God has shown me to read and learn. For all the history of the world in the ages is in there. The so labled unorthodox book that speaks of the messiah and as I look at the ages he foretold….all has been fulfilled he even speaks of the generation of that will be here and speaks of everything that is taking place…even the numbers of women who abort their children. So….yes.
He said the book was for our generation. He gave it to Methusaleh, and Methusaleh gave it to Noah to keep for the generation. In the book of Enoch he tells Methusaleh his son there will come a time that the book will be hidden, but it will be guarded in a cave in the desert guarded by angels until the time of the end. And will be revealed to the final generation. In 1948 they were found in a cave in a desert. They were hidden in the Vatican vaults until 1989 and then finally released to decipher. Fulfillment? Yes.
In the book of Enoch it tells of all the deception in all ages. Even now there are twisted historys floating out there that sound true. I look at the book of Enoch. It tells everything from beginning to end. At this point, I feel like Paul…if we have believed in vain than we have nothing….or something like that. But we have everlasting life with the Father and his Son our Lord. The battle is raging…and we are here. We have much to do to support one another and those who have not prepared mentally to go through ANTIFA type evil. Yes, we will be passed over, and we are now in the midst of the mess. Many can’t see this…and commit suicide. Or go mad. The message I carry, is wake up…we are here…prepare for the Lord is coming with all the armies of heaven …as Amos said,
Amos 5:19 Context
16Therefore the LORD, the God of hosts, the Lord, saith thus; Wailing shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways, Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as are skilful of lamentation to wailing. 17And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD. 18Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. 19As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. 20Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
I heed the warning…for the day of the Lord is coming…and it is not a time to long for. It is a day of woe and mourning. So read it. And heed it I am. No flying away…but…we are not appointed to the wrath. It will be a mighty purpose to behold…and there is much preparation… I believe we will come through and the Lord will give us a window of time. We are in a judgement…the whole world is in judgement. All of Amos must be read…but let me skip to Amos chapter 9….
8Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
9For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
11In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
This verse…should cause all of us to wake up….. just in case …10. All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
I am a watchman. And a big sinner. Not perfect, not all knowing. Just seeing. That is all.
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Dianne, you exemplify the Bereans and as such an example for others in our Christian journey. Thx for your candor and commentary. Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace and not evil; to give you an expected end. For whosoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. No works, no baptism (if you are saved you want to follw Christ in Baptism) just simple faith it is a FREE gift.
Titus
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Dianne, we must think logical. There will be no guarantee of survival during the great Tribulation/wrath years. The purpose of wrath is to make souls repent. Millions upon millions will die according to scriptural prophetic events for the whole world. There will be very few survivors during the time of wrath including believers. They will not be spared on the earth just like the people on the earth during the deluge and Sodom and Gomorrah. That’s why if you are to believe we are “spared from wrath,” then the only logical conclusion is for God to take us into the clouds to be with Him and stand before the Son of Man while wrath on the earth takes place. You have already suffered your judgment on this earth before you became a believer. In many ways, we still do. But Revelation was a specific prophecy as a forewarning to pray we would be delivered from it.
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I agree. If I remember Jesus said 2 would be at the well and one would be taken and the other left. He mentioned a thief in the night. The Parable of the 10 virgins. There are so many parables and other verses that wouldn’t make sense apart from a rapture. I think of Noah. God himself shut the door of the boat, a type of rapture. Paul writing to the Thessalonians about a catching away said comfort one another with these words. Otherwise he would have said toughen up bretheren you’re about to go through the wrath of God so deal with it. I’m sorry for paraphrasing and not siting scripture and verse but students of the Bible know the references I made. I enjoy Diane’s blog but don’t know what she’s getting at.
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I wonder if the millions of Christians that were martyrs for Jesus who endured horrific torture and death at the hands of Nero or the popes during the crusades and the inquisition were confused as to why they went through wrath when they spent many hours a day in the word and in prayer? Imagine if they had known that the people in 2021 who spend close to zero time in prayer and the word were to avoid any tribulation or wrath and that God had just skipped them with a giant 2000+ year gap of time where.none of them mattered one iota. Believing Christians today are going to avoid all tribulation when billions of Christians before them endured horrible tribulation is a fairytale and the product of complete ignorance of the meaning of the Word of God as a whole.
Good article, however, the rapture theory did not begin with Darby. It began after the council of Trent in the 1700’s when the Roman Catholic Beast Pop commissioned the military spies of the Society of Jesus or Jesuits to counter what all of the Reformationists knew and preached during and after the Reformation. The Jesuits came up with rapture theology or Futurism to divert people from the truth that the beast of Revelation would be and was the Pope and Roman Catholic Church. All of the deception thereafter in the Protestant churches was propagated by the infiltration of Jesuits who have now taken over the media, Hollywood etc. in order to bring about the new world order ruled by the antichrist pope. To claim that the Roman Catholic Bible is the true and only Bible is actually comical. I suggest people who believe that go back and look at actual history, not Jesuit written textbooks taught to our children today to brainwash them. The Jesuits are masters of infiltration and hiding the fact that all roads literally lead to Rome who is directing all the evil we see playing out today. I pray this teaches even one Catholic and inspires them to study the truth and come out of the great whore.
In school we are taught Christians perpetrated great horror during the crusades etc and many people have stopped following Christ because of the Jesuit lies. Truth is that Catholics caused the deaths of millions of people including Protestants who are the only Christians. The horrific torture devices used to kill Christians during the inquisition were not designed and used by any true follower of Christ Jesus but rather followers of Lucifer. The Bible warns of great deception and also says the road to heaven is narrow. Come out of her, read the historical books that proclaim that he truth. Trust nothing written by modern people unless they are speaking truth and mention the Roman Catholic Church. Look up what Abraham Lincoln said about the Vatican Pope of Rome and how it was the Catholics that caused the civil war as they fought to keep their slaves. The Roman Catholic Chirch is the synagogue of Satan of which Jesus spoke. I’m sorry to be so blunt, but, we are running out of time and I fear for so many Christians that are believing in the rapture. I pray they don’t lose their salvation or their lives by believing a deception and being lulled into a false sense of security that they will be the only ones of billions that have died before them who get to skip tribulation without so much as devoting more than a couple of hours on Sunday to even considering the Bible deep meanings that clearly show how all of history has played out. The King James Version is the only version that has not been tampered with by Catholic Jesuits. Catholics always use this as an argument against Protestants saying they have all these versions of the Bible therefore they do not have it right. All I have to say to that is look at all the factions that have formed new non-Vatican controlled churches. One only has to do an internet search of the all seeing eye or eye of Horus in the Vatican, Roman Catholic Churches and the chirch of Satan and on the dollar bill and the corresponding one eye symbolism used by celebrities and politicians worldwide all of which belong to the antichrist.
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“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”
I Thessalonians 4:13-18 NKJV
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1st Thessalonians 4:13-18
“But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, that you may mot grieve, as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will (bring with Him) those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this wee say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”
The word of God is immovable and unchangeable.
Also read:
2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12
Revelation Chapter 12-Chapter13:10
Mathew 24:16
Daniel 8:11-14 and9:27
Jesus said look to Daniel.
Daniel talks about the abomination that makes desolation, even as Paul in 2nd Thessalonians. The Church will still be here until at least that point. There is no pretribulation caught up. Satan is kicked out of the spiritual at the same time the man who makes the covenant is killed and comes back to life. Having 42 months before Jesus comes back and blow him away. Please read.
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http://bibletruth.cc/70WeekMinistry.htm
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There have already been 2 abominatins of desolation already. What makes you think that there will be a third one at the end of this age too?
The first one, predicted by Daniel, was the fire on the altar of Antiochus IV, and the other, predicted by Jesus, was the fire from a torch that a Roman soldier threw into the temple that eventually burned it down (they didn’t have things like mustard gas to flush out the resistance).
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Oops Mathew 24:15
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Yet, I have noticed that all the teachers that claim Darby, are false teachers. For they do not believe that Revelation is truly written in chronological order. Yet when you match Revelation with Daniel 9:26 and 26, as well as 2 Thessalonians 2 1-8, as well as Psalms 121-129, we have the timing of he rapture before the 7 years with Psalms 121 matching when Jesus goes away and cuts Himself off, as well as seal 6 of Revelation. The we have Daniel’s 70th week that starts at chapter 8, even Psalms 122 shows the House of God in Jerusalem is built, and Psalms 124 with chapter 12, Psalms 128 shows the bride and then peace to Israel which matches Revelation chapter 18 the marriage supper and His return to save to Israel, then Psalms 129 that shows Israel survived it’s youth. So it truly seems that those who claim the rapture is a lie before the 7 years, truly do not follow what the bible truly says. For only 1 out of 5 shall have God and understand what is truly written and said. So Even Jesus told us the majority shall be wrong. That truly shows, those who look for the antichrist first, do not have God at all but the antichrist spirit.
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YeeeHaaaw! Diane, you know you are right over the target when the ack-ack flak is most intense. What a glorious discussion your essay sparked! I am SO encouraged by this lively discourse; kudos to every one of you! “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” But remember, salvation is not the sole dominion of the scholar. Faith in Christ is the bottom line.
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I would like to say one thing concerning Enoch and Elijah. Enoch was translated that he should not see death as stated in Hebrews 11:5. When we look at the word translated it means “to put or place in another place, to transport”. Enoch never saw death for God took him from one place and put him in another. Enoch never saw anyone die. This is the meaning of the word “see”. To see with the eyes. What a blessing that was. 3 years ago this month I sat a watched my dad take his last breath. May I never experience anything like that again! Enoch was not “raptured” into heaven. He was taken from one place on this earth to another. Enoch eventually died. It says so in Hebrews 11:13. Look it up. Start from verse one.
Now how about Elijah. Elijah was also translated. But not to heaven where God dwells. He was taken to another place on earth. Heaven, when used in the Bible, is used in one of two ways and context will always determine which. It is where God dwells or it is any place above the earth. The birds fly in the heavens. The sun, moon and stars are placed in the heavens. Elijah, after his translation, wrote a letter to King Jehoram. Did he write it from heaven?
One of the biggest lies today is that after you die you immediately go to heaven or hell. If that’s the case what is the purpose of the future resurrections and judgements? If death brings us into the immediate presence of God why is there a need for a resurrection? If the last enemy to be destroyed is death (1 Corinthians 15:26) ……?!
Let us not forget the first lie of our enemy recorded in Genesis 3:4 “ye shall not surely die”.
But lets us remember how this conversation started in the garden. The first thing our enemy did was to get Eve to question the integrity of God’s Word! (Genesis 3:1).
When a truth is established we then look for the answers concerning those scriptures that seem to contradict the truth. There is Samuel and Saul and the woman of Endor … which had a “familiar spirit”. There is the parable of Abraham and Lazarus spoken to the Sadducees …. who say there is no resurrection. There is the transfiguration on the mount. Could the key to that be contained in Matthew 16:28? There is the statement Jesus made to the malefactor concerning paradise. Did Jesus go to paradise upon his death? Wasn’t he in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights (another can of worms here)? Could the translators have put a comma in the wrong place? Of all the people that should have gone to God upon their death shouldn’t it have been His own Son, Who always did the Father’s will? Did Paul say that death brought an immediate gain? Has the church believed THE LIE rather than God’s truth?
God Bless
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
….. another can of worms …… ?
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Sparky, good explanation. Remember also, when Mary saw him and started to go to him, the Lord said…not to touch him for he had not yet ascended to the Father. He had conquered hell and now he was to go and see his Father and bore witness to Mary to go and tell the others he had risen. And yes, Paul warned the people not to be confused…and to not quarrel over when the Lord would return and told them things had to take place first. The like was present to the first disciples and is present today at 90% believing it to the point of rage if one says different.
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In Hebrews 11:5, it is clear in scripture that Enoch “did not experience death.” Your scriptural reference was for the others, not Enoch. When someone dies, they are in an intermediate state between death and the resurrection. Everyone goes to Hades and Hades has two compartments. One compartment is Hades proper for unbelievers and the other compartment is Abraham’s Bosom aka. paradise for righteous believers. Hades is a temporary state.
Elijah appearing in the transfiguration was Shekinah glory. The Lord did not commit necromancy.
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Pre-tribulationists do not follow Darby. In fact, pre-tribulation was taught long before Darby. From Shepherd of Hermas (95-150 AD), Cyprian (200-258 AD), Victorinus (240-303 AD), Lactantius (260-330 AD), Increase Mather (1639-1723 AD) and many others.
Why the fight against having faith for His deliverance?
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Sabra, it was taught by man not by the Lord in the manner the Lord said he came to bring a sword and we are to pick up our cross and follow him for there will be great tribulation and there has been from the moment they crucified Him. He equipted all who believe with the Holy Spirit and the power to overcome the evil one. Death is overcome. The evil one has a short while and he rages on to destroy God, and all his people and has not relented since day one. There has never been a day of peace or a year without torment on this earth yet. The kingdom of God in IN Us. Christ lives INSIDE OF US. Even now. TRIBULATION BEGAN AGAINST GOD’S PEOPLE at the time of Christ and has continued to this very day. It is not floating in time waiting to begin. Simon Magnus, even in the days of the Apostles told great lies and deception acting like he was an apostle. Read Acts. So many have come to say things skewed….twist the interpretations, Darby did it the most successfully and is attributed that historically in the church along with Scofield. Are they to be revered? NO> they are to be exposed for their deception be it however it was obtained upon them. Vain philosophies and deceit we are to discern and not follow. Yet, many follow without reading the scriptures for themselves relying only on what their church tells them. In this is great error.
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I agree with you about the “tribulation”. I have read multiple versions of the Bible multiple times as well and would love to have a conversation with you. I see many things that confirm we are surrounded by false prophets and worship dogma. Blessed are our eyes that see the things we see. Matt 13:16, Luke 10:23.
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Thanks for being a force to open Christians minds to the evils of Dispensationalism, especially that God has a different plan of salvation for different people based on a supposed bloodline. Another book which helps uncover the story of how this teaching grabbed hold of America is detailed in the book American Apocalypse, even if Sutton isn’t clued into the darker and contrived aspects of what was happening in the early 20th century.
However, I will encourage all to go even further, and pay attention to what the words of the New Testament ACTUALLY say about Jesus’ second coming, namely that the event was to occur within the time frame of his contemporary generation. That message is clear and consistent with no deviations. If Jesus didn’t return in the first century the New Testament is a hoax. The destruction of the Jerusalem temple in AD70 marked the complete end of the Mosaic economy and Aaronic priesthood, and a complete shift over to the terms of the New Covenant of Life under the administration of our Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of the expansion of God’s priesthood and temple that resides in the hearts of His people that inhabit the entire land. That is what the second coming was mainly about. I know that is a lot to swallow for many but if you do your study you will see that this must be true. Go to preterist.org for introductory study material and well, get started on a journey that I’ve been on for well over 20 years now. Blessings!
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Diane
I love your website…thought provoking and challenging our thinking. I too have many bibles used at different times. What version of the bible do you read?
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Just saw the butchering image on the Amy Biden blog post. Praying to Yeshua to wash it out of my mind. At the same time, understanding the horrid reality of humanity, including the Body of Christ, or especially the Body of Christ, being treated like hens locked down in a farm the size of a planet. Assets, that’s how they call us, that’s how they treat us, see the thorough research by Amazing Polly on Bitchute if you’re avid for more proof.
Now comes this rapture thing, elevated to some religious status, yet another matter of discord. Among us, hens / assets in a prison / farm run by reptilians. And what would be more important than the exact year / month / day of the rapture, or some verse lost in translation, for stirring even more controversy. Chickens are kept busy debating before their own slaughter.
The Great Awakening. Is this about rapture? Like when incapacitated, handicapped, retarded ‘animals’ sitting dumb before a magic elevator about to catch them in a whirlwind into heaven. I, for one, won’t buy into this topic. Here’s my take.
As parts of the Body of Christ, as nano-gods, we are not animals, we are no passive parts, nor cattle waiting in line, either for the unsuspecting slaughter or for the promised rapture. But we are men and women of God, active parts, soldiers, fighters, lions and cougars, dangerous — we are dangerous ‘things’ — not clueless chicken.
Enoch and Eliyah have been teleported (Sparky says translated or transported) through various levels of heavens. No magic and no supernatural religious theme there. Just some technology. Remember that only God Is super-natural, as beyond nature, as the Creator of nature, among others. Only God is One, and Separated. What we are, accepting to be, we are by Him Alone. And by accepting, we see, we comprehend, we use this or that technology. Like Eliyah told Elisha to stay and watch his teleportation, so he can achieve a double portion of Elijah spirit on him.
Notice their attitude? Of soldiers, give me double the ammo. Because we are not chicken, nor cattle, sitting dumb and waiting for who would come first: the venom of the viper or our Lord Yeshua. We are an active part of this war (spirit ~ ammo) and we have the capability to beam up and beam down according to this or that mission, because this is bigger than Viet Nam, to keep the spirit of lift ups and raptures, where every soul counts and no one should be left behind.
The Great Tribulation, as Dianne pointed out, began with Nero and his likes. Those vipers are butchering us for millennia. As about the concern of surviving, there is a Perfect example of trampling down death by death. Time for the Great Awakening now.
We are adults, for Christ’s sake.
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Now, here is a warrior who knows exactly who she is in Christ… her strength, her authority, and her ability to stand up in this war. God bless you, Doris Dawn.
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“It is ALL about our children in the end.”
God bless you too, Deb!
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Doris! Amen! Awake God gave us gifts to use against the devil in spiritual warfare – he said with faith as small as a mustard seed and told why…for it is the least of the seeds and when it is grown….key word GROWN…..it is full of branches! And metaphorically, together all these branches can say to this mountain move and it shall move. We are to be building an army of faith mountain movers….not chickens!
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Watch “Is the End of Days Prophesied in the First Word of the Bible?” on YouTube
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Anyone that has had a serious attitude of study of the book of Revelation knows that Darby was not the first to have the belief of the rapture or more correctly stated the catching away. Sorry bro you are teaching antichrist doctrine. You yourself need to do some truthful biblical study. Read anything by John Walvoord, Tim LaHaye, Perry Stone, Grant Jefferies to help you straighten out your false teaching. Blessings brother
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For those interested in a quick study, you can youtube : The Berisheet Prophecy. Is the End of Days Prophecied in the first word of the bible.
Is proves Rapture-Tribulation-Millenium. If your life is right in relationship to Jesus, then Jesus said, I won’t leave you or forsake you, so don’t be afraid.!!! So repent, Roman’s 10:9-10
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If you can read the above article and believe that, I just say Lord Jesus have mercy. The church had a victorious eschatology for almost 2k years, Darby and satanist/mason/illuminati comes and plants this heresy and you buy it, hook line and sinker. Thus saith the Lord, it is not from me and will rot in Hell with the creators of it!
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gotta be on the offensive. will get the videos. Orlando
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I admire Dianne as a great patriot who is fighting for the truth! I usually enjoy reading her posts, but this one has been filled with unfortunate falsehoods against Dispensationalism and slander against men such as Darby and Scofield. The same is true of the videos listed. It would be impossible to prove this in a brief comment such as this, so all I can do is recommend some books for those who want to pursue the truth. I will list four:
1. “Dispensationalism Before Darby” by William C. Watson
2. “Ancient Dispensational Truth: Refuting the Myth that Dispensationalism is New” by James Morris
3. “The Rapture: The Pretribulational Rapture Viewed From the Bible and the Ancient Church” by Ken
Johnson
4. “Dispensationalism” by Dr. Charles C. Ryrie
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Darby made it popular, for 2k years the church did not believe it, the doctrine will be seen as heresy one day. Make my words! Nothing has done more to harm the church than this escapist/defeatist doctrine. The church had a victorious eschatology for almost 2k years, almost all the church fathers had a victorious eschatology as well as Spurgeon, Calvin and Wesley. I will stand with scripture and these men before I will stand with and pop doctrine such as this.
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Good blog post.🤠 🤗 2021-06-21 09h 03min
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Very good article, I have read much on Darby, a terrible human being who I am sure is not enjoying himself at this point. A good book that makes more sense on end times is “Victorious Eschatology” by Harold Eberle. So consistent with scripture. I like how you stirred the hornets nest, I am sure many are ingrained in this demonic pre rapture doctrine, but it won’t happen like that for “The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea” Habakkuk 2:14 and “in the last days the mountain of the Lord’s house will be established on top of the mountains and exalted above the hills and all nations shall flow to it.” Isaiah 2:2 lines right up with Daniel 2 and the stone becoming a large mountain that filled the whole earth. This lines right up with Jesus teaching in Matthew 13:31,32 and the mustard seed, it starts out the smallest, then grows into the largest tree in the garden. Wake up church, God said to take dominion and he met it. The church had a victorious eschatology for nearly 2k years until Darby and the Cabal pushed this garbage. Irenaeus, Jerome and most church fathers even some taught by the apostles directly had a victorious end times belief. As did Spurgeon, Calvin, Wesley and more!!! We will see the church as one, John 17, we will see the kingdom advance against the gates of Hell, and victory found in favor of the saints most high!!!
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